Ronald Reagan says, “When you analyze it, I believe libertarianism is the very heart and soul of conservatism.”

Who are you going to listen to?

From the Wilderness - The CIA Connection
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7726031384917866364

It is America’s place to be a liberator, as it has always been. If this nation lived by your isolationist standards, we never would have gotten involved in WWII and Hitler would have conquered God knows how much of the world. We LIBERATED Europe just as we are LIBERATING Iraq now.

Also, it is well beyond time that you consider the benefits of having an Arab, democratic ally in the Middle East. If you’re so all-fired concerned about the U.S., please compare those benefits with the results of American surrender in Iraq. According to your candidate, Ron Paul, the only reason there is terrorism is America and our involvement in other nations’ affairs. I assume he (and you) honestly believe that if we withdraw our troops from around the world, they’ll suddenly call off their jihad?

Really…please stop with the “parrot Hannity” business. You people are so condescending towards real conservatives it’s sickening.

As I wrote earlier, your call for hard evidence that if we leave Iraq it’ll deteriorate is simply moot. How can I provide evidence of something that has not yet happened???

Let me ask you this: If we surrendered in Iraq and withdrew our troops, do you think the terrorists, including Bin Laden, would declare victory? If they did, would it bother you at all? ”

With respect for your right to an opinion, regardless of how misguided it may be, I totally disagree with your ideas.

America has no RIGHT to determine what kind of government the people of Iraq choose for themselves PERIOD!!!!! It is none of our business.

America has no RIGHT to force our way into ANY of these countries and overthrow their forms of government, regardless of their being communist, dictatorships, totalitarian, theocracies, puppet governments, military dictatorships, or otherwise. We are WRONG to attempt to impose our political and economic will upon any country for any reason. Our only military RIGHT is to defend our own country here in America, or to defend our country in a just war, duly and constitutionally declared by our elected Congress. To declare “war on terror” by invading two countries after a few thugs attacked us is not rational. I submit this tragedy was used as an excuse to remove our liberties in America and to move forward with a very global agenda that was already in the political pipeline of our hijacked government. At the very NSC meeting before 9-11, the question was put forth, when we are we going to attack Iraq?

You can learn more here;
Project for the New American Century (PNAC)
http://home.earthlink.net/~platter/neo-conservatism/pnac.html
and
Project Censored
The News That Didn’t Make the News
http://www.projectcensored.org/publications/2004/
You are correct that you cannot provide evidence to support your claims and thus, you cannot provide evidence to refute the claims of those who oppose your position. We do not yet have hard evidence that it was Bin Laden who attacked us on 9-11. Europe seems to believe otherwise. His brother was in America in a meeting of the Carlisle Group (think Bush the Elder) on the morning of 9-11.

I do not give a rat’s behind what Bin Laden declares!!! Furthermore, I wonder that we so easily accept the notion that some idiot, whom the CIA had trained, fostered and supported for its own nefarious agenda, all on his own from some cave in Afghanistan managed to coordinate the whole 9-11 tragedy. Why have there been no further attacks in America since then? Interesting question.

Regardless, the goals were never clearly defined in the illegal invasion of Iraq and a war on terror is in itself an excuse and a prelude to ENDLESS war, because there is no clearly defined enemy. What we had was a bunch of thugs who did the unthinkable. There was never an established country behind the tragic event. There still is no proof even that Bin Laden was the perpetrator in spite of his taking credit for it. It has never been proved. The Kean so-called “investigation” in to 9-11 was a joke.
You continue to insist we are surrendering by leaving. To whom are we surrendering if we are not held captive by anyone? We are building Oil pipelines, an embassy large as the Vatican, and fourteen military bases there. Obviously, we are NOT planning to leave EVER. Why?

You refuse to listen to any voice of reason even when it comes from even more valid sources such as the responder earlier who cited, “Michael Scheur, head of the CIA’s Osama bin Laden Task Force”.

The responder further said:

“…You urge us to “listen to what the terrorists actually say”, and then go on to prove that you have never done so. What bin Ladin and his ilk have said for years now is that THEY WANT US TO STAY. They want us bogged down there, wasting our men and our resources there where they can easily come and take out their aggression on us in the sandbox. They want us to stay there, because it gives them more propaganda to recruit new terrorists to fight against us.”

You continue to be afraid and to apparently believe the ridiculous notion that America will be invaded and whatever else you believe. If you listen to what they say, they hate us for our intervention and occupation of their territory. There were no or few terrorists in Iraq when we invaded. Now they have used our occupation as a tool for recruitment and will continue to do so, while they continue to spill the blood of Americans into the sands of the Middle East.

Once again, common sense requires, as you say, that one “look at the reasons they attacked us” and acknowledge the mistakes, withdraw our forces from Iraq and mind our own important business here at home. We ARE NOT, NEVER WERE, or EVER SHOULD BE the policemen for the rest of the world. It is SIMPLY WRONG!

Iraq did nothing to America. This ridiculous war is NOT about 9-11 I assure you.

Perhaps you also believe we were attacked because we are a rich country and we are free.

You need to consider a better quality and line of reasoning to gain any respect for your arguments.

In the meantime, this may all become moot as our dollar nosedives and is no longer accepted around the world by more and more countries. Get this if you can—our monetary system, our dollar is near collapse in attempts to finance these ridiculous wars. We CANNOT afford to do it, even if we had the right. Once the monetary system collapses you can continue to “feel good” if you wish that you were “right”. But then you must also accept responsibility for your grandchildren who will have to spend their lives paying for it all. You will not be around for them to blame, but they may remember what you did to them.

I frankly do not care what you think. It matters not once our monetary system collapses, because inevitably, then so will our EMPIRE!!!!! And the Fascists will have won. We will be ripe for a real invasion and takeover. Truly, I believe you are insane and naïve to sacrifice your entire country for such an irrational idea that our government wants to establish a democracy in Iraq. That was never part of the agenda. They care nothing about the people of Iraq. Remember, we went in there on the basis of lies. What makes you think the NEOCONS are telling the truth about anything? Do not be so gullible.

Thank you for reading this.

“We haven’t achieved our goals. Our goal is to establish a free, SECURE, democracy in Iraq. Iraq is not YET secure.”

If your goal is to ESTABLISH then that is Nation Building which isn’t the duty of the American Government or the training of any soldier.

You don’t have a clue what Ron Paul is saying. You have really listened.

have you really looked at his political points from his website and compared it to the founding fathers?

I don’t just mean the Iraq war, I mean everything else he’s saying?

Compare what he is saying to the founding fahters? Have you listened to the founding fathers too? Read what they say and compare to Ron Paul.

Also, the U.S., as you pointed out, has been involved in the internal affairs of other countries long before Bush became President. As a matter of fact, the entire 20th century is known as the American century because we’ve been involved around the world. Please remember that conservatism does not necessarily equal isolationism or non-interventionism.

Mr. Lloyd, I respect your service in the National Guard, but I vehemently disagree with your anti-war position. I would think that a soldier, of all people, would understand the danger of surrendering to terrorists. As a soldier thinking in strategic terms, would it bother you to allow terrorists to have Iraq as a base of operations?