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	<title>Comments on: Pastor Thornton, Part II, more hate and venom</title>
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	<description>Commentary by Vic Sprouse</description>
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		<title>By: Shari Ann</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shari Ann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 04:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kristen, yes, Oaks Christian is next door to Calvary Community Church (though the school and church are independent from one another), and yes, OCHS has some celebrity offspring. And the point is??? 99% of the students at OCHS are kids like my own son, ordinary kids who have one thing in common: The desire to attend a Christ-centered rigorously academic college preparatory school. About half of OCHS's students (my own son included) attend on scholarship--the school gives out over $4 million in scholarships every year. The school does not cater to affluence nor celebrity just because it happens to attract a little of both. 

I don't understand the point of looking down on a school because it happens to have "famous" last names on the student roster. I also don't get the negative, extreme bias against Southern California, but I expect a great part of it is jealousy. Californians are used to that. I'm originally from the Midwest myself, and I remember  back when I lived there believing that everyone in Southern California knew celebrities, had blonde hair, hung out at the beach all day and surfed. Right, sure. And everyone in West Virginia is married to their cousin.

Maybe if some of the posters here got out of their own little regionalcentric bubble once in awhile, they'd learn that people are pretty much the same all over the United States. And if you base your concept of Southern California on what you see on TV, well, you're as wrong as someone who bases their concept of the South on the movie Deliverance. 

Pastor Thorton will never be rejected by Californians because he's from West Virginia. We are far more inclusive and far more diverse a people than that. From reading some of the comments made by West Virginians, I daresay a California native would not fare so kindly transplanted to your state. I do hope that isn't the case, and the bitter voices raised herein are not a representation of your state.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kristen, yes, Oaks Christian is next door to Calvary Community Church (though the school and church are independent from one another), and yes, OCHS has some celebrity offspring. And the point is??? 99% of the students at OCHS are kids like my own son, ordinary kids who have one thing in common: The desire to attend a Christ-centered rigorously academic college preparatory school. About half of OCHS&#8217;s students (my own son included) attend on scholarship&#8211;the school gives out over $4 million in scholarships every year. The school does not cater to affluence nor celebrity just because it happens to attract a little of both. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t understand the point of looking down on a school because it happens to have &#8220;famous&#8221; last names on the student roster. I also don&#8217;t get the negative, extreme bias against Southern California, but I expect a great part of it is jealousy. Californians are used to that. I&#8217;m originally from the Midwest myself, and I remember  back when I lived there believing that everyone in Southern California knew celebrities, had blonde hair, hung out at the beach all day and surfed. Right, sure. And everyone in West Virginia is married to their cousin.</p>
<p>Maybe if some of the posters here got out of their own little regionalcentric bubble once in awhile, they&#8217;d learn that people are pretty much the same all over the United States. And if you base your concept of Southern California on what you see on TV, well, you&#8217;re as wrong as someone who bases their concept of the South on the movie Deliverance. </p>
<p>Pastor Thorton will never be rejected by Californians because he&#8217;s from West Virginia. We are far more inclusive and far more diverse a people than that. From reading some of the comments made by West Virginians, I daresay a California native would not fare so kindly transplanted to your state. I do hope that isn&#8217;t the case, and the bitter voices raised herein are not a representation of your state.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kristen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 06:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just a note from So. Cal.  The school next door to Calvary Church, does have students (children) from the likes of Wayne Gretzky, Will Smith and Joe Montana to name a few.  To check this, please refer to Oaks Christian School Football scores.

Sorry to inform the writer of this article, but what some people "heard" about the kids going to school with stars and/or NFL athletes children...that is true!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just a note from So. Cal.  The school next door to Calvary Church, does have students (children) from the likes of Wayne Gretzky, Will Smith and Joe Montana to name a few.  To check this, please refer to Oaks Christian School Football scores.</p>
<p>Sorry to inform the writer of this article, but what some people &#8220;heard&#8221; about the kids going to school with stars and/or NFL athletes children&#8230;that is true!!</p>
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		<title>By: Just Observing</title>
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		<dc:creator>Just Observing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:02:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bible Center's youth pastor resigned as well.

I hope nothing is going on out there, but something must be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bible Center&#8217;s youth pastor resigned as well.</p>
<p>I hope nothing is going on out there, but something must be.</p>
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		<title>By: Donna K</title>
		<link>http://www.changewv.com/2008/pastor-thornton-part-ii-more-hate-and-venom/comment-page-1#comment-33408</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I know of Pastor Thornton is that he'd rather spend time with the Lord than playing golf.  His sermons could not have come from anywhere else.   I wonder how much criticism he'd be getting if he had said he was going to move his family to a tent in Ethiopia?  

Maybe what was the kicker was the infatuation of many of the members of BCC with the glitz and glamour of the new church.  I wonder how many times the idea of having a bus ministry to the West Side fell flat on the ears of the members?

I wish Pastor Thornton and his family the very best.  I feel that the challenges they will be facing will try their mettle.  

The members of BCC may have to look within themselves to find the Spirit and let go of their egos.   They may have to learn that it's far more difficult (and yet far more rewarding) to build a relationship with God on their own than to try to appropriate one from their Pastor.

Godspeed, Pastor Thornton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I know of Pastor Thornton is that he&#8217;d rather spend time with the Lord than playing golf.  His sermons could not have come from anywhere else.   I wonder how much criticism he&#8217;d be getting if he had said he was going to move his family to a tent in Ethiopia?  </p>
<p>Maybe what was the kicker was the infatuation of many of the members of BCC with the glitz and glamour of the new church.  I wonder how many times the idea of having a bus ministry to the West Side fell flat on the ears of the members?</p>
<p>I wish Pastor Thornton and his family the very best.  I feel that the challenges they will be facing will try their mettle.  </p>
<p>The members of BCC may have to look within themselves to find the Spirit and let go of their egos.   They may have to learn that it&#8217;s far more difficult (and yet far more rewarding) to build a relationship with God on their own than to try to appropriate one from their Pastor.</p>
<p>Godspeed, Pastor Thornton.</p>
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		<title>By: Stepping Out</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stepping Out</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:49:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, I am the Stepping Out that made comments on the Daily Mail site.  I also made comments under different names.  

I was out of place with my comments and criticism of Shawn Thornton. Any doubts or questions I have should have been addressed directly to Mr. Thornton.  

Even though Bible Center put out a press release that resulted in the Daily Mail article, any comments I made there could have been said in a different manner.  

I have asked for forgiveness for my actions from God and I ask the same from the readers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I am the Stepping Out that made comments on the Daily Mail site.  I also made comments under different names.  </p>
<p>I was out of place with my comments and criticism of Shawn Thornton. Any doubts or questions I have should have been addressed directly to Mr. Thornton.  </p>
<p>Even though Bible Center put out a press release that resulted in the Daily Mail article, any comments I made there could have been said in a different manner.  </p>
<p>I have asked for forgiveness for my actions from God and I ask the same from the readers.</p>
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		<title>By: Christopher Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Christopher Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 17:15:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I generally do not participate in vent lines or internet blogs, but today I feel compelled to give my thoughts.

As a pastor’s kid growing up, I saw first hand what a pastor and his family go through behind the scenes, and this type of discussion is no exception just a different medium.

On Sunday, when Pastor Thornton announced his resignation, I felt sadness in my heart as I realized I would no longer sit under his teaching.  At the same time, I stopped and said a very simple prayer thanking God for the opportunity to serve Him and thanking Him for the role that Pastor Thornton has played in my feeble attempt at being a servant.  I also thanked God that he still has Men that are willing to listen to his voice and heed his calling, even if it means moving across the continent.  As I recall, God has required another man to leave his homeland to go to a land promised by God. (Read Genesis 12).  As I also recall, God did tell him all the obstacles along the way.  He too had to “step out of the boat”. 

As Pastor Thornton, gave the details of his hearing and heeding God’s call to Calvary Community Church, I connected instantly having going through the same process during my father's ministry.  Others have noted that Pastor Thornton is moving UP to bigger and better things.  I personally believe that Pastor Thornton has no idea what is in store for him when he reaches Westlake Village, but I applaud his willingness to allow God to lead him.  God does not ask for our ability, but our availability.

Some have said that he will make more money…Have you compared the cost of living?  

Some have said that he is going to a bigger church… Did you know that the Calvary CC congregation is almost ½ what it was a little over a year ago?  Did you also know that the Bible Center has tripled its size under God’s leadership through Pastor Thornton?  Where is the comfort in leaving or getting out of the boat?

Some have said that he wants to play golf, mingle with celebrities, and hang out at the beach.  I will give you that Pastor Thornton likes to play golf, but often times he uses it as a way to reach, teach, and counsel people, or learn insight from his congregation.  If you check his scorecard, how many times did he actually win a game?  As far as celebrities, and the beach, take a look, examine closely.  Does Pastor Thornton really look like the type of individual that wants to hang with celebrities, and work on his tan?  (No offense Pastor…LOL)

Some have said that Pastor Thornton is leaving a church that is $15M in debt.  I would disagree.  God used Pastor Thornton to expand HIS (God’s) ministry in the Kanawha Valley.  It was God who brought BC Church to this point, and it will God who sustains the ministry of BC Church.

I have never walked the golf greens with Pastor Thornton, so I can not attest to his golf game. I have never stepped foot inside his home in WV or CA, therefore I can not compare the two.  Although I am a contributor to BCC, I am not what others would consider a HUGE DONOR; therefore he has no financial benefit from associating with me.  

What I can say, is that God through Pastor Thornton’s ministry has strengthened, and blessed me and my family.  He has given countless wisdom and instruction.  He baptized some of my children.  As I traveled to Alabama to be with my father as his deathbed, it was Pastor Thornton who gave me his cell number and asked me to call him if/and when I had any news, or if I just needed it talk.  As AT&amp;T connected us, it was Pastor Thornton who prayed on the phone with me, rejoiced with me that God called one of chosen Home, and he grieved with me at the physical loss of my life’s spiritual example.  I have been the recipient of his prayers, and love as he has of mine.

I too believe that Pastor Thornton is moving UP to BIGGER and BETTER things, but it is not in California.  The BIGGER and BETTER things, will come when he moves UP to his eternal home, and the BIGGER and BETTR things will be a product of his obedience.

Pastor, if you read this, I want to THANK YOU for living a life of servant hood to your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  THANK YOU for the example and the leadership.  I want to encourage in your willingness and courage to follow HIM.  Eleven years ago, you followed that same voice, and heeded that same calling, and God has blessed you and your ministry tremendously.  I KNOW that he will do the same as you continue to hear and heed his call now.  You are in my thoughts and prayers.  God Bless.

Signed:  C. Thomas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I generally do not participate in vent lines or internet blogs, but today I feel compelled to give my thoughts.</p>
<p>As a pastor’s kid growing up, I saw first hand what a pastor and his family go through behind the scenes, and this type of discussion is no exception just a different medium.</p>
<p>On Sunday, when Pastor Thornton announced his resignation, I felt sadness in my heart as I realized I would no longer sit under his teaching.  At the same time, I stopped and said a very simple prayer thanking God for the opportunity to serve Him and thanking Him for the role that Pastor Thornton has played in my feeble attempt at being a servant.  I also thanked God that he still has Men that are willing to listen to his voice and heed his calling, even if it means moving across the continent.  As I recall, God has required another man to leave his homeland to go to a land promised by God. (Read Genesis 12).  As I also recall, God did tell him all the obstacles along the way.  He too had to “step out of the boat”. </p>
<p>As Pastor Thornton, gave the details of his hearing and heeding God’s call to Calvary Community Church, I connected instantly having going through the same process during my father&#8217;s ministry.  Others have noted that Pastor Thornton is moving UP to bigger and better things.  I personally believe that Pastor Thornton has no idea what is in store for him when he reaches Westlake Village, but I applaud his willingness to allow God to lead him.  God does not ask for our ability, but our availability.</p>
<p>Some have said that he will make more money…Have you compared the cost of living?  </p>
<p>Some have said that he is going to a bigger church… Did you know that the Calvary CC congregation is almost ½ what it was a little over a year ago?  Did you also know that the Bible Center has tripled its size under God’s leadership through Pastor Thornton?  Where is the comfort in leaving or getting out of the boat?</p>
<p>Some have said that he wants to play golf, mingle with celebrities, and hang out at the beach.  I will give you that Pastor Thornton likes to play golf, but often times he uses it as a way to reach, teach, and counsel people, or learn insight from his congregation.  If you check his scorecard, how many times did he actually win a game?  As far as celebrities, and the beach, take a look, examine closely.  Does Pastor Thornton really look like the type of individual that wants to hang with celebrities, and work on his tan?  (No offense Pastor…LOL)</p>
<p>Some have said that Pastor Thornton is leaving a church that is $15M in debt.  I would disagree.  God used Pastor Thornton to expand HIS (God’s) ministry in the Kanawha Valley.  It was God who brought BC Church to this point, and it will God who sustains the ministry of BC Church.</p>
<p>I have never walked the golf greens with Pastor Thornton, so I can not attest to his golf game. I have never stepped foot inside his home in WV or CA, therefore I can not compare the two.  Although I am a contributor to BCC, I am not what others would consider a HUGE DONOR; therefore he has no financial benefit from associating with me.  </p>
<p>What I can say, is that God through Pastor Thornton’s ministry has strengthened, and blessed me and my family.  He has given countless wisdom and instruction.  He baptized some of my children.  As I traveled to Alabama to be with my father as his deathbed, it was Pastor Thornton who gave me his cell number and asked me to call him if/and when I had any news, or if I just needed it talk.  As AT&amp;T connected us, it was Pastor Thornton who prayed on the phone with me, rejoiced with me that God called one of chosen Home, and he grieved with me at the physical loss of my life’s spiritual example.  I have been the recipient of his prayers, and love as he has of mine.</p>
<p>I too believe that Pastor Thornton is moving UP to BIGGER and BETTER things, but it is not in California.  The BIGGER and BETTER things, will come when he moves UP to his eternal home, and the BIGGER and BETTR things will be a product of his obedience.</p>
<p>Pastor, if you read this, I want to THANK YOU for living a life of servant hood to your Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.  THANK YOU for the example and the leadership.  I want to encourage in your willingness and courage to follow HIM.  Eleven years ago, you followed that same voice, and heeded that same calling, and God has blessed you and your ministry tremendously.  I KNOW that he will do the same as you continue to hear and heed his call now.  You are in my thoughts and prayers.  God Bless.</p>
<p>Signed:  C. Thomas</p>
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		<title>By: Mikey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mikey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Dude left for greener pastures, more power to him.

I suspect the venom spitters and "victims" believe he is a Republican.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Dude left for greener pastures, more power to him.</p>
<p>I suspect the venom spitters and &#8220;victims&#8221; believe he is a Republican.</p>
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		<title>By: ScottWV</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScottWV</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:37:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's sad to read those comments, but the truth is, the mentality of this state is, by default, defeatist. 

What happens if an out-of-state business buys a business here? The employees immediately feel they will be "shutdown". Why? Because no one from the outside would want to actually DO business in WV, right?

So when someone with skill, talent, or some level of fame in our state actually leaves (for whatever reason, be it spiritual or otherwise), the people around him feel betrayed, they feel defeat. And it's a reminder to them about the overall condition of the state.

I am IN NO WAY defending any of these comments, because they are childish and infantile. But the sad fact is that those of us who still believe in this state and pray and hope and wish day after day that things can be turned around are in the minority. 

I mean, when a person is ridiculed for having a PhD . . . we have some serious problems.

Vic, you are right. I wish the Pastor nothing but the best and respect his heeding the call of God in his life. God bless him and his family. I hope he does as much out in California as he has done here in WV.

Take care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad to read those comments, but the truth is, the mentality of this state is, by default, defeatist. </p>
<p>What happens if an out-of-state business buys a business here? The employees immediately feel they will be &#8220;shutdown&#8221;. Why? Because no one from the outside would want to actually DO business in WV, right?</p>
<p>So when someone with skill, talent, or some level of fame in our state actually leaves (for whatever reason, be it spiritual or otherwise), the people around him feel betrayed, they feel defeat. And it&#8217;s a reminder to them about the overall condition of the state.</p>
<p>I am IN NO WAY defending any of these comments, because they are childish and infantile. But the sad fact is that those of us who still believe in this state and pray and hope and wish day after day that things can be turned around are in the minority. </p>
<p>I mean, when a person is ridiculed for having a PhD . . . we have some serious problems.</p>
<p>Vic, you are right. I wish the Pastor nothing but the best and respect his heeding the call of God in his life. God bless him and his family. I hope he does as much out in California as he has done here in WV.</p>
<p>Take care.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:06:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It breaks my heart to see people act like this, though it is not unexpected.  Melinda and BK, you are whole-heartedly right.  This is not the way Christians should be acting.

And Joan, I know you're pain.  I've been ostracized by many in my family because I got an education and "got above my raisin'."  It's sad that what we ought to be doing is trying to make a situation where our children (or anyone else for that matter) can do better than us, but then shun them when they do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It breaks my heart to see people act like this, though it is not unexpected.  Melinda and BK, you are whole-heartedly right.  This is not the way Christians should be acting.</p>
<p>And Joan, I know you&#8217;re pain.  I&#8217;ve been ostracized by many in my family because I got an education and &#8220;got above my raisin&#8217;.&#8221;  It&#8217;s sad that what we ought to be doing is trying to make a situation where our children (or anyone else for that matter) can do better than us, but then shun them when they do.</p>
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		<title>By: Thomp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thomp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now I realize why I am so thankful I went to a small church who, in the 1980s, was thankful to get indoor toilets (hey, we even managed to get a telephone in the church a few years later!)...let alone a mega-million dollar facility.  I personally think these megachurches lose sight as to what the purpose of christianity is...why spend money (plus go into debt) in order to get these monolithic structures, while there are people in need???  What about helping widows, orphans etc???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now I realize why I am so thankful I went to a small church who, in the 1980s, was thankful to get indoor toilets (hey, we even managed to get a telephone in the church a few years later!)&#8230;let alone a mega-million dollar facility.  I personally think these megachurches lose sight as to what the purpose of christianity is&#8230;why spend money (plus go into debt) in order to get these monolithic structures, while there are people in need???  What about helping widows, orphans etc???</p>
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